I just want to say that I appreciate your honest takes. This is about as honest of a review as I think I’ve ever heard from someone who was given the product for free. Keep it up. And review that Rogue tower ASAP!!
Recently got to try this out at the Carlisle showroom. I thought it was awesome in the brief few minutes I spent with it. Your thorough review pointed out so many things I missed (good and bad) and that’s why your reviews are awesome; thorough and honest.
perfect review. thankyou for bringing to attention the friction that is caused on the lower pulley and for stating the pegasus would work on other racks. please make full pegasus video
Hey Gluck You're doing Great man!!!!! Got your channel where you are now getting about every piece of equipment for free. I knew you'd get there. Congrats Bud!!!!! The Adonis is Great and all that but I just cannot see me paying over $3,200 for a Lat pulldown machine. I get inflation but some of these prices have gotten astronomical. One Great thing though is REP has made Rogue lower their prices. Without REP's Adonis, Rogue would not have come out with their new Lat tower and Rogue's price on their new Lat tower is comparable to REP's Adonis. Rogue's new Lat tower would've been over $4,000 to your door without REP's Adonis, we all know it, so bless REP's heart, they are lowering Rogue's prices!!!!!!!!! Way to Go Gluck, You are a Main Player!!!!!! You Deserve it!!!!!
I've been using the pegasus for everything! I even found that if you unscrew the seat's pop-pin you can use if for hip thrusts. Works for me at 5'9. Probably wouldn't work for people much taller than that, but still a testament to how much that thing can do.
Did I just watch this even if I'm not in the market for it? Hell yeah. Keep on the good work! *Wife is watching me... (I have a Freemotion that I've modified so it can be a functional trainer and a lat/row machine; and it has aluminum pulley too!)
I knew you’d take this thing apart and show us how it works on the inside, thanks for your attention to detail! I already have a PR 5000 but I will be moving soon so I have to wait before making the big purchase. Looking forward to the rouge review too!
I just got to play with this at the Carlisle showroom a few hours ago. That thing is huge! Very nice and smooth, but so expensive (at least for me)! Good review!
Yoooo, when I do low rows on my BoS Lat Pulldown, I use the pad from a piano bench, I legit never thought of using a declined bench to do this, that's a great idea !!
I went to Reps warehouse as they were setting up their Adonis so I didn't get to test it out, but they did have a Pegasus on a rack and I admit I liked it more than I thought I would. I have a rack attached seat and leg holder combo that works for my needs but that seat just took it up a notch.
Comprehensive video mate. As always. Would love to have this piece available in Australia. Or the rogue version. I think I say that for most videos these days. Especially the pegasus seat. Maybe in 2-3 years 🥲
Awesome review! I’m definitely looking forward to your CTM-1 review to see how these stack up. I’m also intrigued by the new GetRxd RX3 lineup. It looks like a 3x3 version for Bells cable towers which could make for a very interesting value option at the launch price.
Pegasus looks legit. Adonis is solid and looks better than the prime unit. More features, no rattling/echo, costs less, and no standard 2 month wait and $1,000 in shipping.
@@44dgerbrandt Maybe see if someone who specializes in that can save you money? Or ship it close to the border and pick it up? No idea, but there are probably solutions unless you live super far north.
@@tonya7699 yeah I’ve thought about trying to get it shipped to Montana and driving down to pick it up. I’m just not sure who to ship it to, and if I’d get charged duty at the border
I would love to see a comparison to this against the BOS cable tower + Porter preformence Cable Attachments. Also if you haven't seent the porter preformence cable attachments for the bos cable tower, definitely check it out.
@@soranhernandez6425 we've featured those Porter attachments several times on the channel. It's an interesting idea, maybe some type of tower vid breakdown.
Praise the lord for the pr4000 version coming soon. This is still too tall for my basement. Powertec is overlooked but its like 1300 on sale and can be plate loaded or selectorized.
Gluck, are you familiar with the Signature Leg Press? Walmart online was selling them at $899 but they claim the MSRP was $2600. I bought one and the thing is a beast. Weight of machine 500 lbs. The bar’s that the linear bearings wrap around are about 2 inches or more in diameter of solid steel. I had to muscle this thing into my basement alone…probably the worst equipment move into the basement I’ve ever had and I’ve moved a lot of sizes and shapes. I didn’t know if you ever reviewed one. I have a tiny channel and showed the basics of it…but I would enjoy getting your take on it
I've seen it but don't have one. Sig Fit is the same company as Balance From (or often sells the same stuff) and they've had more than a few questionable products like that rack we had that was absolute trash. This does look decent though. I'll see if I can get my hands on it.
Build quality looks amazing on this but I honestly prefer the versatility of a dual cable design like the Bells of Steel cable tower (I have two). Being able to do 1:1 or 2:1 from any height, as well as dual cable movements (rows, curls, pressdowns) is awesome. Cables running down the side of the uprights means I can attach them to lever arms from the bottom. Add a lat pulldown attachment from Matt Porter (or a DIY version like mine) and they basically do everything (in my case that includes flyes, presses, etc since I have two… for the same price as one Adonis). The new GetRX unit looks like a better, 3x3 version of this design (Titan makes a worse version, naturally 😂) This is all kinda moot though for me anyway since Bells is the only one (apart from Titan) that’s short enough to fit in my basement.
The scuffs were likely caused by the delivery company. I had that issue with my cross members for my 5200. Rep will replace those parts or send out touchup paint (your choice). I've had nothing but great experiences with Rep's customer service team and honoring their warranties. You can buy with confidence.
Of course they'll replace it as will a Rogue and any other respectable company but I unpacked it and the stuff was able to slide around easily. I can't blame the delivery service.
@@GlucksGym unfortunately big stuff like this never comes perfect in one shipment. Even rogue has had similar issues. I’ve seen orders where the uprights and crossmembers were rusted. My point is if the blemishes bother you (which they did with my ARES) they’re more than willing to do right by you. Rep and rogue are absolutely great.
Another nice, honest and thorough review, thanks Gluck! Do you think they may ever come out with something similar with a shorter height for us Basement Gym owners?
Great review! Would you be able to test it against a 90 degree wall to see if the back of the unit sits flush against the corner of a room at the base?
I wonder about the shipping on the Rogue unit. I've looked at a few similar items on their site and some require a forklift to move off the freight delivery truck (but you save some time on assembly).
How would it be for belt squats? I know you would have to start at the bottom and use plates/blocks to stand on but looks like the low cable can travel vertically?
The angle would really pull you forward vs having it more underneath. You can remove the low row cable retention bolt (I did) to get rid of the rubbing issue.
We covered the issues there. The trolley would sit high, thought it's possible with that. The low row can't do vertical pulls without the cable rubbing on the retention bolt. You can remove that bolt (I did) but that's not how Rep depicted it nor how they tell you to build it.
As always great honest review. Really appreciate that even though it was given to you for free, you don’t hold back on criticism. Also your inappropriate double meaning joke game has gotten weak compared to past years. Haha
Does anyone know if there is a way to attach/use the Pegasus with the Selectorized Lat Pulldown & Low Row (4000/5000 Series)? I have a dual Athena 6-post setup with the lat/row setup.
It looks like a great piece, But here's the thing that will keep me from buying it. There's no option for a 4000 series style upright on the front. I've got a ton of money invested in a 4000 series rack with a bunch of accessories that would be nice to use on this, but won't be able to. And I'm not going to double up on certain items because that defeats the purpose of staying in one ecosystem. They need to make a version for a 4000 Series front upright.
I understand it’s not selectorized but how would you compare to Titans Plate Loaded Functional Trainer? It’s hard for me to justify a weight stack being $1000+ more compared to plate loaded. I saw Titans on sale recently for $850, and comes with 2 pulleys. Would you ever review it?
@@chinan491 I did some measuring and it doesn't seem to line up with because of the difference between the measurement systems. At some point I'll move things around and try to link them but based on my measurements it's not something I'd plan to do.
Ouch Gluck. Usually 10/10 stuff. But the Prime HLP racks are famous for having multiple pulley ratios. The lat tower is 1:1 and the trolley is 2:1. And actually on the plate loaded HLP towers the trolley has a pin that you can pull allowing it go to 4:1 for really “athletic” style training. Good review overall but to call out a company for not having the very thing they made popular is a glaring oversight in your equipment knowledge.
Correct. The lat pull on the Single stack is 1:1, the trolley is whichever you purchase (2:1 or 4:1). I re-watched this and agree I worded it very poorly in the summary. I'm referring to potentially needing a gym pin with low rows since the trolley/low row is the one piece, hence same ratio. These aren't perfectly scripted vids and I don't have anyone with me as I film and talking to a camera is hard. I'll do better wording it in the future.
Just get a hoist v4 elite has everything on it. No one reviewing it cuz they wont get anything out of it!! Its all bout affiliates . Same length has leg extension and chest fly🤔
The low row cable does run between the bottom pulleys but there's a retention bolt above it that the cable rubs on. You can remove that bolt (I have) but that's not how Rep tells you to build it nor how they have it pictured.
They charge shipping on some stuff. Other stuff they build it in. Other stuff it’s a $75 charge plus stuff. It’s just odd. Probably trying to compete with REP.
Anyone else notice Gluck and GGR are neck and neck reviewing the same exact equipment? I'm guessing there's something contractual about the timing of the releases these days.
@@BigPantsMurda our reviews depend entirely upon when I think our video is ready. I can't compete with a large corporation. We got the Adonis in and although ours came a little late. We tested it thoroughly and once we're able to put out the vid, we do.
Is this really intended as a home gym product? The comparable $3000 Rogue product only ships fully assembled to a loading dock and is obviously aimed at commercial gyms. For home gyms, I just don't see the value compared to the Bells tower at 60% less.
Bells doesn't get heavy enough and the build quality isn't as good. The Adonis is the perfect piece of equipment... they just need to make an 80" version for basement gyms.
Other than the fit and finish, I can't figure out a reason to go with the CTM-1 yet. CTM even is using nylon pulley wheels, or at least they say they're "imported." Everything seems very close except that the CTM limits you to the selectorized stack, which looks better and is more stack weight than REP, but the smaller stack gives the Adonis the ability to have longer cable travel. Is there anything I'm missing that's really stand out for the CTM? The trolley might be beefier on Rogue but Adonis may be easier to use.
The material of the pulley doesn't really affect it's function. It's the bearings that matter. That narrative is tied to many budget companies using Nylon pulleys with poor quality/cheap bearings in them. That's not what Rogue is doing, I've seen the Nylon pulleys in the Single and Twin stack, they're very good. The CTM-1 has a sectorized and plate loaded version as well. Cable travel shouldn't be an issue with the CTM-1 because just like with the Adonis, Rogue has two pulley ratios and you'll have a lot of cable to work with when using the trolley. The appeal of the CTM-1 is it's an American made product with a higher fit and finish. Don't get me wrong, Rep has done a great job here but For similar money the CTM-1 will end up being very temping for anyone looking in this budget range.
In addition to Gluck’s comments, the CTM-1 will come in multiple height options. The lowest height is a few inches shorter than the Adonis and the tallest ones will be great for anyone with really high ceilings. I’d flip it around and say the only advantage of Rep’s is the Pegasus. But if you already have a chest support pad, I’d rather use that with a CTM-1 then get a new one.
@@fwiffo42 Good points. One big thing the CTM looks like it addresses that Gluck pointed out on the Adonis...It looks like on the low row there are 2 pulleys, one for the row and one above it that will allow you to pull straight up. Found a video of the LP-2 that shows that the lower pulley allows pulls from above the low row.
The problem these companies are doing in their design is NOT making their functional trainers at a 3:1 ratio. The FreeMotion functional trainer is the absolute best on the market for functional training cable machines. It uses a 3:1. If you want to have a 1:1 for Pulldown fine but the real question is… why did these companies think that a functional trainer needs more load (1:1 or 2:1) but the exercises typically used with a functional trainer do not use that strength curve due to lack of leverage? When you try to rotational exercise with a 1:1 or 2:1 ratio it feels terrible.
The Pegasus 4000 seat (with the 5/8 holes), plus the Kaizen shims, are gonna be perfect for my Bells of Steel cable towers. Thanks for the heads up! It's a big hole in the Bells lineup that they don't have a comparable product.
Rep has basically been home run after home run recently but this product seems just kinda mehh.. Reps refusal to make anything taller than their standard height is the downfall of this unit. If not for height limitations Rep could just add a heavy enough stack and not need the weight horns. As a stand-alone unit maybe it’s not a big deal but anybody wanting to attach this to a rack, or storage set up, they don’t want to have foot long knee/shin bangers in their way every time they need to actually get to the storage. And maybe it’s possible to leave them off during assembly, but then you’re limited to 210lbs for pull downs and rows which doesn’t seem ideal either. Not only that but Gluck seems to nearly max out the height for pull downs and I’d probably have another 6” of reach than him. Perhaps the seat could go lower than he has it during the demo. Add in the price. The Rogue unit just seems like a substantially better design to the point that I’d rather pay whatever the price of the Rogue unit is + shipping + Rep’s lat seat if I felt it was a worthwhile upgrade just to have what feels like a much better cable tower with nearly 100 more pounds to work with.
I emailed Rep and begged them to make an 80" version of this for basement gyms. It would require a few tweaks (like being able to move the footplate in order to sit closer to the ground for lat pulldowns) but it'd really be worth it IMO.
You also cannot do any two arm movements like a pec or rear delt fly. You can do everything this can for the price of the Bells of Steel plate loaded functional trainer (single tower) for $400. I just don't understand who can afford these overpriced units for home gyms. People just want an excuse to go into debt.
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Definitely need a Pegasus video. Compare it to bells version,bulldog pad and thresher pad. Tell Winnie you have to buy the bulldog pad now…
Maybe it's time for a row pad showdown vid? I guess we're getting past the point of them being just adjustable pads now.
@@GlucksGymYes please! Would love to see that comparison including Exponent Edge’s Infinity Arm.
Can't wait to see the Rouge CTM-1 review. Nice review as always.
I just want to say that I appreciate your honest takes. This is about as honest of a review as I think I’ve ever heard from someone who was given the product for free.
Keep it up. And review that Rogue tower ASAP!!
Thanks. And will do!
Rep Hyperion set up with two Adonis machines and a pr-5000 rack in the middle is only like $200 more. Love the modularity of the rep ecosystem.
Definitely need a Pegasus comparison video please and thankyou Gluck.
Recently got to try this out at the Carlisle showroom. I thought it was awesome in the brief few minutes I spent with it. Your thorough review pointed out so many things I missed (good and bad) and that’s why your reviews are awesome; thorough and honest.
perfect review. thankyou for bringing to attention the friction that is caused on the lower pulley and for stating the pegasus would work on other racks. please make full pegasus video
Always appreciate the honesty in your reviews! I'm looking forward to seeing the Ares 2.0....and hoping to convince my wife how much we "need" it
That's the hardest part 😂
Just tuning in to watch Gluck curl.
You're the kind of people we need more of 😍
Hey Gluck
You're doing Great man!!!!!
Got your channel where you are now getting about every piece of equipment for free. I knew you'd get there. Congrats Bud!!!!!
The Adonis is Great and all that but I just cannot see me paying over $3,200 for a Lat pulldown machine. I get inflation but some of these prices have gotten astronomical.
One Great thing though is REP has made Rogue lower their prices. Without REP's Adonis, Rogue would not have come out with their new Lat tower and Rogue's price on their new Lat tower is comparable to REP's Adonis. Rogue's new Lat tower would've been over $4,000 to your door without REP's Adonis, we all know it, so bless REP's heart, they are lowering Rogue's prices!!!!!!!!!
Way to Go Gluck,
You are a Main Player!!!!!!
You Deserve it!!!!!
Loved to see the inner workings of that machine! It's the gym equivalent of seeing what's under the hood in a car
I've been using the pegasus for everything! I even found that if you unscrew the seat's pop-pin you can use if for hip thrusts. Works for me at 5'9. Probably wouldn't work for people much taller than that, but still a testament to how much that thing can do.
Did I just watch this even if I'm not in the market for it? Hell yeah.
Keep on the good work!
*Wife is watching me...
(I have a Freemotion that I've modified so it can be a functional trainer and a lat/row machine; and it has aluminum pulley too!)
😂😂😂
that seat really is something special
I knew you’d take this thing apart and show us how it works on the inside, thanks for your attention to detail! I already have a PR 5000 but I will be moving soon so I have to wait before making the big purchase. Looking forward to the rouge review too!
Very good review, you are using it and review, not just advertising. 🎉
I just got to play with this at the Carlisle showroom a few hours ago. That thing is huge! Very nice and smooth, but so expensive (at least for me)! Good review!
Yoooo, when I do low rows on my BoS Lat Pulldown, I use the pad from a piano bench, I legit never thought of using a declined bench to do this, that's a great idea !!
A dedicated review on the Pegasus would be awesome.
I went to Reps warehouse as they were setting up their Adonis so I didn't get to test it out, but they did have a Pegasus on a rack and I admit I liked it more than I thought I would. I have a rack attached seat and leg holder combo that works for my needs but that seat just took it up a notch.
Love this piece. You and Coop need to do a podcast. Gym Review Throwdown Fridays!
Comprehensive video mate. As always. Would love to have this piece available in Australia. Or the rogue version. I think I say that for most videos these days. Especially the pegasus seat. Maybe in 2-3 years 🥲
I really need Rep to make a short Adonis for us basement gym dwellers.
Awesome review! I’m definitely looking forward to your CTM-1 review to see how these stack up. I’m also intrigued by the new GetRxd RX3 lineup. It looks like a 3x3 version for Bells cable towers which could make for a very interesting value option at the launch price.
Great review!
Thank you!
Big Lat Pulldown Guy!
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I'm jealous. You've got all the new toys man. Haha.
I've learned to appreciate pre scuffed equipment. Takes the sting out of when I cause my own dings and scuffs🫤
I prefer to make my own scuffs and scrapes.
Pegasus looks legit. Adonis is solid and looks better than the prime unit. More features, no rattling/echo, costs less, and no standard 2 month wait and $1,000 in shipping.
For us poor Canadians the Adonis is 872 dollars to ship 😢 makes me sad
@@44dgerbrandt Maybe see if someone who specializes in that can save you money? Or ship it close to the border and pick it up? No idea, but there are probably solutions unless you live super far north.
@@tonya7699 yeah I’ve thought about trying to get it shipped to Montana and driving down to pick it up. I’m just not sure who to ship it to, and if I’d get charged duty at the border
Multiple pulley ratios is actually brilliant to do. I am somewhat interested in the Pegasus seat when it comes out in 5/8"
How would you compare this to the ATX Trinity Tower?
Remember when all you needed was a rack, bench, and barbell? The good ole days
I would love to see a comparison to this against the BOS cable tower + Porter preformence Cable Attachments.
Also if you haven't seent the porter preformence cable attachments for the bos cable tower, definitely check it out.
@@soranhernandez6425 we've featured those Porter attachments several times on the channel. It's an interesting idea, maybe some type of tower vid breakdown.
Praise the lord for the pr4000 version coming soon. This is still too tall for my basement. Powertec is overlooked but its like 1300 on sale and can be plate loaded or selectorized.
Glucks’s review > GGR
That's the Binford Tools of cable machines. The mightiest of Tim Allen's HUA HUA HUAs
Gluck, are you familiar with the Signature Leg Press? Walmart online was selling them at $899 but they claim the MSRP was $2600. I bought one and the thing is a beast. Weight of machine 500 lbs. The bar’s that the linear bearings wrap around are about 2 inches or more in diameter of solid steel. I had to muscle this thing into my basement alone…probably the worst equipment move into the basement I’ve ever had and I’ve moved a lot of sizes and shapes. I didn’t know if you ever reviewed one. I have a tiny channel and showed the basics of it…but I would enjoy getting your take on it
I've seen it but don't have one. Sig Fit is the same company as Balance From (or often sells the same stuff) and they've had more than a few questionable products like that rack we had that was absolute trash. This does look decent though. I'll see if I can get my hands on it.
A pegasus review would be great. Im specifically interested to see how ok the reverse hypertension can be with the attachment.
Build quality looks amazing on this but I honestly prefer the versatility of a dual cable design like the Bells of Steel cable tower (I have two). Being able to do 1:1 or 2:1 from any height, as well as dual cable movements (rows, curls, pressdowns) is awesome. Cables running down the side of the uprights means I can attach them to lever arms from the bottom. Add a lat pulldown attachment from Matt Porter (or a DIY version like mine) and they basically do everything (in my case that includes flyes, presses, etc since I have two… for the same price as one Adonis).
The new GetRX unit looks like a better, 3x3 version of this design (Titan makes a worse version, naturally 😂)
This is all kinda moot though for me anyway since Bells is the only one (apart from Titan) that’s short enough to fit in my basement.
I think the upcoming Pegasus 4000 seat (with 5/8 holes) with some Kaizen shims will fit the Bells cable tower. That's my plan.
Seems like the removable foot plate opens the door for other custom DIY attachment points - I'm thinking cable driven belt squat ??
I want something like this in my garage, but I am not sure which I want. It will be pricey for whatever I choose.
I really wish companies made equipment for those of us with ceilings that are super short. (My max is 80)
The scuffs were likely caused by the delivery company. I had that issue with my cross members for my 5200. Rep will replace those parts or send out touchup paint (your choice). I've had nothing but great experiences with Rep's customer service team and honoring their warranties. You can buy with confidence.
Of course they'll replace it as will a Rogue and any other respectable company but I unpacked it and the stuff was able to slide around easily. I can't blame the delivery service.
@@GlucksGym unfortunately big stuff like this never comes perfect in one shipment. Even rogue has had similar issues. I’ve seen orders where the uprights and crossmembers were rusted. My point is if the blemishes bother you (which they did with my ARES) they’re more than willing to do right by you. Rep and rogue are absolutely great.
Another nice, honest and thorough review, thanks Gluck! Do you think they may ever come out with something similar with a shorter height for us Basement Gym owners?
I don't see why they couldn't but I'm not sure if we'll see one. I haven't heard anything about it.
I just wish they had an 80 inch version for my basement
LETS GO!
Great review! Would you be able to test it against a 90 degree wall to see if the back of the unit sits flush against the corner of a room at the base?
Please review the ironmaster cable tower! You can use the DBs as weights for it.
I wonder about the shipping on the Rogue unit. I've looked at a few similar items on their site and some require a forklift to move off the freight delivery truck (but you save some time on assembly).
@@tbone3291 I think it'll be much like the Adonis. Bolt together and come in a crate.
Can you do leg extensions with ankle attachments??
Please review the powertec lat tower
How would it be for belt squats? I know you would have to start at the bottom and use plates/blocks to stand on but looks like the low cable can travel vertically?
I'd use the 2-1 adjustable trolly arm for dips to avoid the rubbing issue of the low row... You're limited to 100 pounds but that's not bad for most
The angle would really pull you forward vs having it more underneath. You can remove the low row cable retention bolt (I did) to get rid of the rubbing issue.
will the cables on the prodigy rack interfere with the pegasus seat? since prime has their cables in the front rather than the back
How about Mikolo products? Namely the P5R power rack
Good review 👍.For dips just hook the cable to the belt, so the plate is not in the way
We covered the issues there. The trolley would sit high, thought it's possible with that. The low row can't do vertical pulls without the cable rubbing on the retention bolt. You can remove that bolt (I did) but that's not how Rep depicted it nor how they tell you to build it.
@@GlucksGym they need to add a small roller about that low row pulley, that's an DIY mod probably some people are going to do.
I thought about replacing the bolt with that exact thing but it's not mounted on a spot that you can. Removing the bolt is good enough for me
Hey Gluck, is there a MAXUM Fitness SX2 review coming anytime soon!?
As always great honest review. Really appreciate that even though it was given to you for free, you don’t hold back on criticism.
Also your inappropriate double meaning joke game has gotten weak compared to past years. Haha
@@scooobyj8714 Thanks! I appreciate it.
Maybe they just go over your head now 😉
Wonder if they might have sent a demo or prototype model to you. Hence the scratches.
Nope. Mine came later than a lot of other people's. Saw quite a few people post their builds before I got mine.
Does anyone know if there is a way to attach/use the Pegasus with the Selectorized Lat Pulldown & Low Row (4000/5000 Series)? I have a dual Athena 6-post setup with the lat/row setup.
It looks like a great piece, But here's the thing that will keep me from buying it. There's no option for a 4000 series style upright on the front. I've got a ton of money invested in a 4000 series rack with a bunch of accessories that would be nice to use on this, but won't be able to. And I'm not going to double up on certain items because that defeats the purpose of staying in one ecosystem. They need to make a version for a 4000 Series front upright.
@Gluck Excellent review. So 5 hours for assembly, did you have help?
@@marksimmons5839 Yes. There were 2 of us.
@@GlucksGym Thanks. In your opinion, Is assembly doable for just one person?
@@marksimmons5839 definitely. It'll just take longer.
@@GlucksGym Great thanks Bro...Channel is growing , keep going!
I understand it’s not selectorized but how would you compare to Titans Plate Loaded Functional Trainer? It’s hard for me to justify a weight stack being $1000+ more compared to plate loaded. I saw Titans on sale recently for $850, and comes with 2 pulleys. Would you ever review it?
Could you do a review on the trulap adjustable dumbbells?
@@sparkyy2890 will do. The 4th gen just came in
How did this ship? I have a basement gym and am curious how much I'd have to break it down to get down the stairs.
Thanks!
Comes (basically) in a crate. You can pull the top off the crate and bring the pieces in individually. It is not assembled.
REP very recently started to ship to Europe. Do the links you provide work if you switch to their European website?
They do not yet work. I've been told they eventually will but as of now. No. I appreciate you thinking of us though!
Looks like the peg board storage option could get in the way of your legs when using the seat. Is that the case?
I haven't noticed it as a problem but maybe depending what you put there?
The rogue ctm-1 apparently comes almost full assembled and doesnt fit through doorways
also I inquired about it and you will need a fork lift to get it off the truck or unless your house has a unloading platform hahaha
@@brianwaltman2325yeah I thought it was gonna compete with the Adonis, but very likely not gonna be the same buyers.
Can you attach Adonis to Rogue Monster series 90" height rack using a crossmember? Wonder if hole height lines up between the two.
@@chinan491 I did some measuring and it doesn't seem to line up with because of the difference between the measurement systems. At some point I'll move things around and try to link them but based on my measurements it's not something I'd plan to do.
Need more info on Pegasus 11:18
Please make a video for the Pegasus asap! Thanks
I'll get to work!
How did that powder coat get through QC? Wow!
It was damaged in shipping unfortunately. The crate was in perfect shape but some stuff was able to shift around.
Can you put Pegasus on rack with the trolley on the bottom?
Nm just saw the 1 in pin goes straight in from the front. Won’t work. 😅
Ouch Gluck. Usually 10/10 stuff. But the Prime HLP racks are famous for having multiple pulley ratios. The lat tower is 1:1 and the trolley is 2:1. And actually on the plate loaded HLP towers the trolley has a pin that you can pull allowing it go to 4:1 for really “athletic” style training. Good review overall but to call out a company for not having the very thing they made popular is a glaring oversight in your equipment knowledge.
Correct. The lat pull on the Single stack is 1:1, the trolley is whichever you purchase (2:1 or 4:1). I re-watched this and agree I worded it very poorly in the summary. I'm referring to potentially needing a gym pin with low rows since the trolley/low row is the one piece, hence same ratio. These aren't perfectly scripted vids and I don't have anyone with me as I film and talking to a camera is hard. I'll do better wording it in the future.
Just get a hoist v4 elite has everything on it. No one reviewing it cuz they wont get anything out of it!! Its all bout affiliates . Same length has leg extension and chest fly🤔
At first I thought this was just a lat pull and low row. I was pretty wrong
I feel for the money it cost, the seat should have the ability to be used for low rows, for 3k you shouldn’t have to sit on the floor
If Rogue comes in functionally equivalent it will be hard not to go with MIA even if I have to pay for shipping.
Rogue included shipping in the price too
@@GlucksGym Damn! They will really have to fumble not to be the better pick then. Excited for the review.
Hey Gluck! Can the Pegasus connect to spotter arms and be used effectively?
@@cdoss002 it needs a vertical mount
Can you do lateral raises one bells of steel Cable tower?
Shouldn't you be able to put the cable between the pulleys in the bottom and take away all the friction?
The low row cable does run between the bottom pulleys but there's a retention bolt above it that the cable rubs on. You can remove that bolt (I have) but that's not how Rep tells you to build it nor how they have it pictured.
I wish they made a 88” version for us basement dwellers..
Since when are basement ceilings 88" or higher?
Mine is 83" - I need them to make an ~80" Adonis.
Rogue doesn’t do free shipping And REP does…makes a huge difference in total cost
@@shawnjones9679 Rogue's CTM1, barbells, single and twin stack, and other items all ship "free"
They charge shipping on some stuff. Other stuff they build it in. Other stuff it’s a $75 charge plus stuff. It’s just odd. Probably trying to compete with REP.
Hope they can offer a shorter version
Anyone else notice Gluck and GGR are neck and neck reviewing the same exact equipment? I'm guessing there's something contractual about the timing of the releases these days.
@@BigPantsMurda our reviews depend entirely upon when I think our video is ready. I can't compete with a large corporation. We got the Adonis in and although ours came a little late. We tested it thoroughly and once we're able to put out the vid, we do.
@@GlucksGym keep it up man, love the channel
Was more worried for you if the companies were using that kind of pressure
Is this really intended as a home gym product? The comparable $3000 Rogue product only ships fully assembled to a loading dock and is obviously aimed at commercial gyms.
For home gyms, I just don't see the value compared to the Bells tower at 60% less.
Bells doesn't get heavy enough and the build quality isn't as good. The Adonis is the perfect piece of equipment... they just need to make an 80" version for basement gyms.
Other than the fit and finish, I can't figure out a reason to go with the CTM-1 yet. CTM even is using nylon pulley wheels, or at least they say they're "imported." Everything seems very close except that the CTM limits you to the selectorized stack, which looks better and is more stack weight than REP, but the smaller stack gives the Adonis the ability to have longer cable travel. Is there anything I'm missing that's really stand out for the CTM? The trolley might be beefier on Rogue but Adonis may be easier to use.
The material of the pulley doesn't really affect it's function. It's the bearings that matter. That narrative is tied to many budget companies using Nylon pulleys with poor quality/cheap bearings in them. That's not what Rogue is doing, I've seen the Nylon pulleys in the Single and Twin stack, they're very good.
The CTM-1 has a sectorized and plate loaded version as well. Cable travel shouldn't be an issue with the CTM-1 because just like with the Adonis, Rogue has two pulley ratios and you'll have a lot of cable to work with when using the trolley.
The appeal of the CTM-1 is it's an American made product with a higher fit and finish. Don't get me wrong, Rep has done a great job here but For similar money the CTM-1 will end up being very temping for anyone looking in this budget range.
In addition to Gluck’s comments, the CTM-1 will come in multiple height options. The lowest height is a few inches shorter than the Adonis and the tallest ones will be great for anyone with really high ceilings.
I’d flip it around and say the only advantage of Rep’s is the Pegasus. But if you already have a chest support pad, I’d rather use that with a CTM-1 then get a new one.
@@fwiffo42 touche. I forgot about the heights
@@fwiffo42 Good points. One big thing the CTM looks like it addresses that Gluck pointed out on the Adonis...It looks like on the low row there are 2 pulleys, one for the row and one above it that will allow you to pull straight up. Found a video of the LP-2 that shows that the lower pulley allows pulls from above the low row.
The problem these companies are doing in their design is NOT making their functional trainers at a 3:1 ratio. The FreeMotion functional trainer is the absolute best on the market for functional training cable machines. It uses a 3:1. If you want to have a 1:1 for Pulldown fine but the real question is… why did these companies think that a functional trainer needs more load (1:1 or 2:1) but the exercises typically used with a functional trainer do not use that strength curve due to lack of leverage? When you try to rotational exercise with a 1:1 or 2:1 ratio it feels terrible.
It was really weird seeing your wife working out in someone else's basement gym
The Pegasus 4000 seat (with the 5/8 holes), plus the Kaizen shims, are gonna be perfect for my Bells of Steel cable towers. Thanks for the heads up!
It's a big hole in the Bells lineup that they don't have a comparable product.
Rep has basically been home run after home run recently but this product seems just kinda mehh..
Reps refusal to make anything taller than their standard height is the downfall of this unit. If not for height limitations Rep could just add a heavy enough stack and not need the weight horns. As a stand-alone unit maybe it’s not a big deal but anybody wanting to attach this to a rack, or storage set up, they don’t want to have foot long knee/shin bangers in their way every time they need to actually get to the storage. And maybe it’s possible to leave them off during assembly, but then you’re limited to 210lbs for pull downs and rows which doesn’t seem ideal either.
Not only that but Gluck seems to nearly max out the height for pull downs and I’d probably have another 6” of reach than him. Perhaps the seat could go lower than he has it during the demo.
Add in the price. The Rogue unit just seems like a substantially better design to the point that I’d rather pay whatever the price of the Rogue unit is + shipping + Rep’s lat seat if I felt it was a worthwhile upgrade just to have what feels like a much better cable tower with nearly 100 more pounds to work with.
Don't buy a lat pulldown machine without a seat, got it!
😂 Technically they're two separate products and you can pair this with a different option.
@@GlucksGymdude he got you!!! 🔥burn🔥
@@GlucksGym So with the Ares 1.0 on sale for about $1900 - isn't that a better buy?
First B!
Nope
@@carps_gym sorry turd it didn’t update when I Firsted. My B.
Did yours come all scuffed up?
There's some pics of a some scuffs and chipped powder coat in this review. Nothing functional but it did have some cosmetic damage.
No shorter height kills this for me. Can’t fit in a basement
What’s the max height you could fit?
I emailed Rep and begged them to make an 80" version of this for basement gyms. It would require a few tweaks (like being able to move the footplate in order to sit closer to the ground for lat pulldowns) but it'd really be worth it IMO.
@@iannelli2448 did they reply? I really want one too
Too expensive. You can buy a complete home gym for the price of that one lat machine.
Hook me up, I need.
You also cannot do any two arm movements like a pec or rear delt fly. You can do everything this can for the price of the Bells of Steel plate loaded functional trainer (single tower) for $400. I just don't understand who can afford these overpriced units for home gyms. People just want an excuse to go into debt.
Bells doesn't get nearly heavy enough and the build quality is poorer.
8:24...you what?